Is the first meeting for a sugar daddy arrangement too expensive? A survey of 1093 people reveals the going rate.

When you meet someone for a sugar daddy arrangement and they offer you 10,000 yen, or when you ask for 10,000 yen yourself, you might feel anxious and wonder, "Is this too much?"

To put it simply, 1 yen for a first meeting is not an excessive amount.

A survey conducted by PATOLO among 1,093 female members also showed that the most common amount for a first meeting was set at 1 to 1.5 yen, and dates were successfully arranged with this group.

However, what determines whether the man perceives the price as "expensive" is not the price itself, but how it is presented.

This article explains, from a woman's perspective, why it's said that "the first meeting is expensive," the actual going rate, and specific ways to receive 10,000 yen without being disliked.

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[Conclusion]Is a first meeting for "sugar daddy" relationships (10,000 yen) too expensive?

First, let's address the question that many women are most concerned about: "Is 1 yen for a first meeting too expensive?" based on data.

"Meeting 1" means 1 yen | Confirm the meaning of the words

In sugar dating, it's common practice to avoid stating the exact amount of the allowance directly, instead translating it into a numerical figure.

5,000 yen is expressed as "0.5", 2 yen as "1", and 1 yen as "2". In other words, "Meeting 1" means receiving 1 yen as an allowance (travel expenses) for the first meeting.

Whether a man asks, "Is it alright to have a meeting for 1 yen?" or a woman suggests, "How about just having tea for 1 yen?", both refer to 1 yen.

It can be confusing if you're not used to talking with numbers, but once you understand their meaning, negotiations will proceed smoothly.

Conclusion: 1 yen is not "too expensive" | Price can be adjusted through negotiation.

The going rate for an initial meeting is generally between 5,000 and 1 yen. If you'd like to know the basis for this rate and negotiation techniques via message,An article explaining that the going rate for a first meeting is 5,000 to 1 yen.Reading this in conjunction with the previous article will significantly reduce your anxiety before negotiations.

Applying this to the market, 1 yen is at the upper end of the range, but it is by no means an unreasonably high price.

Keep in mind that the amount will vary depending on the other person's financial situation and the impression they have of you.

Rather than rigidly insisting that "it's absolutely 1 yen," understanding the market range and acting flexibly will ultimately lead to a better relationship.

The reality is that most PATOLO members have a membership plan set at between 1 and 1.5 yen.

What I want you to know here is the raw data on how much women actually set their prices at.

Looking at the thank-you gifts that PATOLO's female members set for first meetings, the most popular option is women who set it at 1 to 1.5 yen, and many dates are arranged within this price range.

In other words, while there are many comments online saying that "1 yen for a face-to-face meeting is expensive," the actual data shows that 1 yen is actually the most common price range.

First, please keep in mind that there is a disconnect between public opinion and the reality on the ground.

I've come to realize just how much my mindset changes depending on whether or not I "know" the market.

Why is it said that "the first meeting is expensive"? | 3 reasons

Even though the data doesn't suggest it's too expensive, why are there so many opinions online saying that "Meeting 1 is too expensive"?

There are three reasons behind this. Understanding the male perspective will be a great asset when you navigate the situation.

With the market downturn, a "5,000 yen for a face-to-face meeting" has become the standard.

Until around 2020, the standard fee for a first meeting was 1 yen. However, after that, the number of women starting "sugar dating" (papakatsu) increased dramatically, and men with limited financial resources also entered the market, causing the overall going rate to decline.

Men have learned that they could meet someone for 5,000 yen on other apps, and now more and more people consider 5,000 yen to be the standard price.

If you want to see the reasons behind this decline in numbers,An article examining the reality of the market decline through a survey of 1,093 people.Reading this should make it clear.

From a man's perspective, this situation can be interpreted as, "There are girls you can meet for 5,000 yen, so 1 yen is expensive."

In reality, there is a clear polarization between those whose prices have fallen and those whose prices have remained stable. In places offering high-quality services and attracting high-income men, prices are still maintained at over 1 yen.

Let's understand that the claim that "sugar dating is dead" is merely the opinion of a small segment of the population that has fallen from grace.

Male psychology: It's difficult to give 1 yen to a woman before meeting her.

Another reason why men might find paying 10,000 yen for a first meeting "expensive" is the underlying psychology of "I don't want to pay 10,000 yen upfront to a woman with whom I don't know if there will be a second meeting."

Many men are particularly wary of cases where the person in the photo doesn't look the same as they do in person. Meeting in person is like an "interview" to see if you're compatible.

For men, being guaranteed 1 yen before even showing up for the interview can feel like a risk.

Let's shift our perspective here. Men who are financially well-off don't actually care that much about the amount of 1 yen itself. What they care about is whether the person is "worth that 1 yen."

That's why, if you prepare yourself to make them feel that you're "worth meeting," the 1 yen hurdle becomes much lower. The resistance to the amount isn't about the sum itself, but about trust.

The "1 Yen Face-to-Face Meeting Scam" has heightened vigilance.

In recent years, a type of scam known as the "1 Yen Meeting Scam" has become a problem, where people agree to meet someone they have no intention of engaging in "sugar dating," receive 1 yen, and then block the other person.

The prevalence of this scam has led men to become wary, thinking, "A woman who asks for 1 yen for a first meeting might be a scammer."

The real problem is that even women who are honestly engaging in "sugar dating" (compensated dating) are viewed in the same light.

[Latest] What is the going rate for a sugar daddy/sugar baby meeting?

From here, we'll summarize the going rates for sugar dating, including the initial meeting. Knowing the overall market rate will help you calmly determine whether your desired amount is too high or too low.

The going rate for a first meeting is approximately 5,000 to 1 yen.

The amount of compensation you receive for "sugar dating" varies greatly depending on "what you do." Since the initial meeting is more like an interview, the compensation will be less than for a full-fledged date.

The following are price guidelines for different scenarios.

scene	Guideline for allowance rates	Estimated travel time
Meeting (tea only)	5,000 yen to 1 million yen	1 to 2 hours
Dinner date	1 yen to 2 yen	2 to 3 hours
Adult relationship	Big rise	It depends on the other person and the relationship.

The overall picture of market rates, including age, region, and contract type, is:An article summarizing the going rates for "sugar daddy" relationships, categorized by conditions and age.You can check it along with a list. It will be helpful when you are looking for a number that is similar to your own case.

As you can see from this table, 1 yen for a first meeting is at the upper end of the going rate. That's why it's often considered "expensive," but it's definitely within the normal range.

It would be a waste to slack off just because the initial meeting is relatively low-paying. Leaving a good impression at this stage can significantly impact the compensation you receive for subsequent meetings.

If you would like to know more about the going rate for initial meetings and negotiation tips,An article summarizing the going rate for initial meetings and negotiation techniques.It is also helpful.

Regional price differences | 2-3% difference between urban and rural areas

There are significant regional differences in the going rate for this type of work. Generally, there is a 2-3% difference between urban and rural areas.

However, there is data here that defies common sense. In a survey conducted by PATOLO targeting 1,093 female members, the region with the highest median desired allowance was Okinawa Prefecture (79,167 yen), followed by Kagoshima Prefecture (70,000 yen) and Tokyo (64,340 yen).

Compared to Tokushima Prefecture, which has the lowest average cost (10,000 yen), the regional difference can be as much as eight times.

For those who want to see more details about desired amounts by region and age group,Results of a survey on allowances among 1,093 female membersWe've made all the data publicly available, so please check the market prices in your area.

Surprisingly, Tokyo only ranked fourth overall. The reality of current market prices is that you can't simply assume that "it's expensive because it's a big city, and cheap because it's rural."

Checking the going rate in your area beforehand will give you more confidence when stating your desired price.

Cases where there is no face-to-face meeting and only transportation expenses are covered are increasing.

In recent years, there has been an increase in men who do not offer any payment for the initial meeting, only covering transportation costs, or even not covering transportation costs at all.

Some people believe that "sitting together isn't yet a sugar daddy arrangement, so no payment is involved."

How the other person behaves during the initial meeting can be a way to determine whether they will be a good father in the future.

How to communicate a 1 yen meeting fee without making it seem "expensive"

This is the most important point I want to convey in this article. When it comes to meeting someone for a sugar daddy arrangement, success depends not on how much money you ask for, but on how you communicate it.

Even with the same 1 yen, the way you communicate it can make a big difference; sometimes it might be seen as "expensive" and off-putting, while other times it might be readily accepted with a "that's fine."

I didn't mention the amount myself; I let my dad say it.

The key to negotiating terms is not to state your own price first. Letting the man state his desired amount first will give you a good idea of ​​his financial situation.

If you initially offer a higher price, negotiations can become more difficult if it exceeds the other party's expectations.

If a man asks you how much you're thinking of spending, instead of immediately giving him a number, try asking him, "How much are you thinking of spending?" to give him some leeway.

Ideally, you should accept the offer if you're satisfied with the amount, and then have a brief discussion if it's not quite enough.

Ready to use! A collection of polite phrases for presenting conditions.

However, there are times when you have to communicate your feelings yourself. Here's a collection of polite phrases that will come in handy in those situations.

The following phrasing allows you to convey your wishes without hurting the other person's pride.

• How about just tea?
• I would appreciate it if you could give me 1 for transportation expenses.
• Since it's a bit of a distance, would you be willing to cover the transportation costs?
• I'm looking forward to meeting you, and I'll see you on the day.

The key is to phrase the amount as a "consultation" or "request" rather than a "demand."

Instead of simply saying "I'll take one," phrasing it as "How about one?" leaves the decision to the other person, which makes a much softer impression.

Even when asking someone to cover your travel expenses, directly saying "Please give me my travel expenses" doesn't leave a good impression.

Adding the reason, "It's a bit of a distance," makes it easier for people to accept naturally.

If you include a meal, the 1 yen hurdle becomes lower.

While some men might find 10,000 yen expensive for a simple tea-only meeting, they are more likely to accept the same amount if the date includes a meal.

The going rate for a dinner date is between 1 and 2 yen, so 1 yen is well within that range.

In fact, men often offer a minimum of 1 yen for a casual date that also serves as an introduction, and 2 yen if they make a good impression.

Spending more time together than just having tea allows the other person to get to know your personality, leading to a sense of mutual understanding.

Even if the amount is the same, the "sense of value" the other party receives can be different. If you're wondering where to have the initial meeting,An article introducing cafes and lounges suitable for meeting people.This can also be helpful when choosing a location.

Tips to avoid making a bad impression or being disliked during a first meeting

To wisely receive 1 yen, you also need to know what you shouldn't do. If you don't understand this, all your market knowledge could be wasted.

"Making money just by meeting people face-to-face" carries the risk of being exposed.

There's a method of making money by repeatedly meeting multiple men for a one-time face-to-face meeting, aiming for a 1 yen payment. At first glance, this may seem efficient, but it's an extremely risky method.

If you only meet people face-to-face, men may label you as a "face-to-face meeting scammer" and expose you, including your face, on a shady sugar daddy forum.

Even if it generates money in the short term, if a bad reputation spreads, the activity itself will become unsustainable in the long run.

It's not worth sacrificing your safety and reputation for a quick 1 yen.

You should identify a dad who doesn't pay for your transportation expenses as soon as possible.

Some men promise to pay for transportation expenses beforehand, but then fail to give it to you on the day of the date. If you ask for it but they don't give it to you, it's wise to end the date without pushing further.

Continuing a sugar daddy relationship with a man like that is unlikely to lead to a good relationship. Rather than making a fuss and causing trouble, it's more efficient to leave gracefully and look for someone else.

If you are using a sugar daddy app or dating club, reporting them to the platform operator is one option.

Avoid conducting adult negotiations face-to-face.

Avoid bringing up intimate details right away when you first meet someone. Making such demands on a first meeting can make the other person wary or take you lightly.

During the initial meeting, it's best to stick to discussing basic conditions such as the amount of compensation, the frequency of dates, and the desired level of relationship.

Be careful of men who strongly desire a physical relationship from the very first day, as they may be a red flag for you.

What is a good way to tell someone you want to end a relationship?An article summarizing how to decline a date or ask an adult out.This is explained in detail.

To avoid problems with transportation expenses, PATOLO's pre-payment service is a safe option.

After reading this far, some of you may be feeling anxious about whether you'll actually get the 1 yen, or you may not want to waste your energy negotiating.

PATOLO, a hybrid service combining a sugar daddy app and a dating club, solves that problem through its very system.

Structurally resolve the "anxiety about whether or not you will receive your allowance"

In typical sugar daddy apps, there are no rules regarding the amount of compensation, and it tends to be unclear when and how much you will receive.

Many women are unable to concentrate on their dates because they are worried about whether they will actually receive reimbursement for their transportation costs.

PATOLO operates on a system where men pay the total amount, including transportation costs, in advance when a date is confirmed, and PATOLO holds the payment.

The amount of transportation expenses can be set by the woman herself, ranging from 5,000 yen to 2 yen. Once the date is over, she can report and apply for it, and the money will be transferred to her from PATOLO, eliminating the need for unnecessary worries such as "When should I give it to her?" or "Will I really get paid?".

This prepayment system is,An article introducing a system to resolve disputes over transportation expenses for initial meetings.I've explained it in more detail there, so please read it if you're interested.

The fact that the kind of haggling over the 1 yen for the initial meeting is unlikely to occur is a major source of reassurance.

6% of male members have an annual income of 2,000 million yen or more, indicating a stable market.

The going rate for compensation is heavily influenced by the financial status of the men gathered there. PATOLO employs a strict screening system, and more than half of its male members are high-income earners with an annual income of 2,000 million yen or more.

Men who are financially secure tend to be less resistant to paying for the time they spend with women if they value that time.

That's why a market collapse that forces people to buy at rock-bottom prices is less likely, and the 1 yen price is less likely to be considered "high." Being able to operate in an environment less affected by market downturns is a significant advantage.

Strict screening process to avoid scams and problematic encounters.

PATOLO employs a rigorous screening process that includes interviews for male users, making it difficult for individuals with unclear identities or those prone to causing trouble to infiltrate the platform.

Security measures such as private mode, blocking and reporting functions, and chat monitoring are also in place.

The reassuring environment provided by the screening process creates a foundation for women to approach face-to-face meetings with confidence. Simply reducing anxiety about whether "this person is okay" can significantly improve the success rate of the meeting.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about the first meeting in a sugar daddy arrangement

Finally, we'll answer some of the most frequently asked questions about the 1 yen for the initial meeting. Let's resolve any minor doubts so you can approach the meeting with confidence.

Would you consider it a scam if someone gave you 1 yen for a first meeting?

If you agree on the amount beforehand, meet in person, and continue to communicate afterward, it does not constitute fraud. What is considered fraud is when someone receives the money and then unilaterally blocks you. As long as you continue to communicate honestly, there is no problem with legitimately receiving 1 yen.

How long is a typical meeting to meet someone?

Meetings typically last 1-2 hours. Since the focus is on tea and conversation, it's natural to wrap things up within 2 hours at most. Rather than dragging it out, it's better to leave a good impression and make them want to meet again, which will lead to future opportunities.

What should I do if I don't receive payment after the initial meeting?

If you didn't receive what you had promised beforehand, don't press the issue and end the conversation. If you're using an app or dating service, report it to the platform's administrators. If it wasn't promised, persistently demanding it on the spot will only damage your impression, so it's best to look for someone else.

What's the difference between a first meeting and a meal? Are the typical costs different?

An initial meeting is more like an interview, often involving tea, and the going rate is 5,000 to 1 yen. A dinner date, where you spend more time together, is slightly more expensive, typically 1 to 2 yen. If you combine the initial meeting with a dinner date, the other party is more likely to accept the same 1 yen.

Can I get 1 yen for an initial meeting even in rural areas?

While rates tend to be lower in rural areas than in urban areas, it's entirely possible to earn 1 yen depending on the client's financial situation. In fact, surveys have shown that clients in rural cities sometimes have higher desired allowances. It's important not to give up based solely on the regional average, but to assess each client individually.

Summary | The success of the first meeting depends more on "how you communicate" than on "how expensive" it is.

Finally, let's review the key points regarding whether the initial meeting fee (10,000 yen) for "sugar daddy" relationships is high or not.

While 1 yen for a first meeting might seem high at first glance, it's actually within the market range and, in reality, is the most common price range for successful meetings.

What's important isn't how much you demand, but how you communicate it in a way that the other person will understand and accept. If you understand the other person's psychology and carefully explain your conditions, 1 yen is by no means a high hurdle.

However, for those who want to eliminate worries about negotiations and travel expenses, PATOLO, where travel expenses are determined in advance and the clientele mainly consists of high-income men, allows you to meet with peace of mind without being exhausted by bargaining over the amount of money.

I hope your sugar dating experience can begin in a way that you find satisfying.